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Post by yogurtfresh on Jun 12, 2007 12:30:05 GMT -5
thats pretty sweet.
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Post by arcondeath on Aug 19, 2007 16:18:53 GMT -5
Curently revising, not all things will be updated. From now on, I will stay away from Z-Token Items, except for Darksplatter, which is missing its gold counterpart
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Post by Drago Goldenwing on Sept 5, 2007 13:52:35 GMT -5
This is old I know, but I should point out that, with the current pets and guests available, pets and guests are no longer taboo. Back then when the guide was made pets were very, very weak, but nowadays it's possible to aquire pets and guests that can match the damage output of a lot of non-uber armors.
Krenos from the Summon Krenos spell is the best guest you can get: For me he usually swings for 30 to 50 energy a turn against energy 100% at a 100% attack rate, and the animation is very quick. And pets have vastly improved since the days of Vampragons being the heaviest hitters available. A lot of the information in that section is simply no longer applicable, as pets and guests now contribute greatly to damage per turn, allowing you to kill a monster much faster, and usually cost no more than around five seconds per turn for both pet and guest.
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Post by xelemental on Sept 6, 2007 10:14:32 GMT -5
Actually Beasmaster guests are clearly better at 200 CHA in damage wise, and debately BTH wise too(1-hit is 20% BTH, 2-hit is 10% BTH each).However, they're multi-elemental. Damage-wise, they equal at 183,92857142857142857142857142857 points of CHA. I used LV90 Krenos in calculations.
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Post by Drago Goldenwing on Sept 6, 2007 12:07:50 GMT -5
I'm not going to rise to that, mostly because I'm sick of getting into a debate about every single thing I post. So I'm going to simply say that my obervations are subjective and , while they hold true for me, may not for anyone else and therefore cannot be logically argued for or against.
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Post by Ithious on Sept 6, 2007 13:59:06 GMT -5
xelemental, you really do not know what you are talking about. Go on the AQ forums sometime and you will see that pets are VERY helpful. Krenos is one that is basically an unknown uber guest; mogleets are another. There are many high hitting guests that are simply overlooked.
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Post by Drago Goldenwing on Sept 6, 2007 15:04:19 GMT -5
He's not arguing that they aren't useful, Ithious. He just saw me make a statement (That Krenos is the hardest-hitting guest available,) and felt the need to try to start another pages-long argument by proving someone wrong by using more math I lack the knowledge - but most importantly the concern - to check out. I don't have the formula he used or his work to see if the conclusion he arrived at was correct. And really, I myself don't care. The Subjective Experience defense trumps all logical argument.
But I also don't care because I get enough of people latching onto everything I say and endeavoring to prove me wrong on every single point I make on other boards I go to. Whether they prove me wrong or not, it gets annoying constantly defending myself and my conclusions and I'm not gonna get started doing it here again. If he wants to prove that dual-summon guests are better than Krenos, jolly good show. Subjectively, my experience is that dual-summon guests often do damage at the lowest end of their damage spectrum, one of the two attacks they make misses around 75% of the time, and I have never seen dual-summon guests execute a two-hit attack. While on the other hand in my subjective experience Krenos often does damage high in his damage spectrum and is a more reliable source of damage.
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Post by arcondeath on Sept 6, 2007 19:40:56 GMT -5
Will add a Pet/guest Section Later. Sorry, didnt even consider it. Will Do comparisons at 0, 100, and 200
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Post by Ceris - Fire avatar on Oct 23, 2007 12:30:07 GMT -5
also you should add that dracomancer's level 4 dragon wings ability is really useful for farming. As it is best non-rare windspell
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Post by xelemental on Oct 25, 2007 10:59:06 GMT -5
He's not arguing that they aren't useful, Ithious. He just saw me make a statement (That Krenos is the hardest-hitting guest available,) and felt the need to try to start another pages-long argument by proving someone wrong by using more math I lack the knowledge - but most importantly the concern - to check out. I don't have the formula he used or his work to see if the conclusion he arrived at was correct. And really, I myself don't care. The Subjective Experience defense trumps all logical argument. But I also don't care because I get enough of people latching onto everything I say and endeavoring to prove me wrong on every single point I make on other boards I go to. Whether they prove me wrong or not, it gets annoying constantly defending myself and my conclusions and I'm not gonna get started doing it here again. If he wants to prove that dual-summon guests are better than Krenos, jolly good show. Subjectively, my experience is that dual-summon guests often do damage at the lowest end of their damage spectrum, one of the two attacks they make misses around 75% of the time, and I have never seen dual-summon guests execute a two-hit attack. While on the other hand in my subjective experience Krenos often does damage high in his damage spectrum and is a more reliable source of damage. I just said that Krenos is loses only at very high CHA, and even that can be debated due being multi-elemental.Also, I calculated pure damage there. For you, they cannot even do a double-hit attack, because the equation is: Attack rate for double-strike attack : (CHA - 100)/2; cannot go under 0. By the way, for most people, I just practiacally proved you right. Anyway, I'm sorry if I have insulted you with my words.I can't help to calculate everything out, it is more intresting than AQ itself for me. Oh, and Ithous....Lol.I'm a friggin' beastmaster, I wouldn't be using them if they weren't powerful. Mogleets practically increase your damage by 30xM<end>x0.25%. Or reduce your HP lost by that ammount.That's without accounting the fire resistance. Another such guest is Poelala, really useful aganist monsters like Sine Qua Non and Gilgamesh, and also relatively useful aganist other monsters, too. Ceris: So true.......Also, one of the hit's has 100 BTH.The same armor has an X-element attack too, in case of terrorzard.All together, very useful armor.
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Post by Ceris - Fire avatar on Oct 30, 2007 7:49:24 GMT -5
and you should add canine armor since it has 180% damage attack you will no longer need to redo willow creek every time you change armor.
Edit: daulfin armor(45magic) is better then dusk armor(40magic).
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Post by q155 on Nov 10, 2007 21:49:54 GMT -5
I need to point out a few things: 1.Pets are pretty important,if you give up all your str, and get 200 cha,this is what will happen: ex: keesish-kin,8 hits 2-6 + 13 random damage=16-78 per round.flogg 9 hits,1-5 and with 13 random per hit,i think i made my point. 2:not all the ubers need str,for example: nemesis mace=magic regin=magic shadow=range asgardian=range poise=magic zombiebane septer=magic staff of awe=magic and only rage breaker or exterminator is melee so str is kind of point less. 3:you need to edit this guide,the gold set is back already,and the asgardian set is also released,or people want to place dark splatter with ninjat madness. I agree pretty much with the equipment except the pets pets:flogg.murbles.lvl 90 trobbles,nerf kitten if your poor,get ultra fire/ice were and gong of the wind!!! with an arodo clan. my stats points: str=0 dex=100 int=200 end=150 cha=200 luk=0 Besides, if your a mage ,why do you need str?you are probably spamming spells EDIT:i see.
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Post by arcondeath on Nov 11, 2007 14:08:24 GMT -5
lol, haven'y updated in forever.... and ever, and ever.... Im going to redo this guide, name it something different, and use Niko's as a base model... DELETETH THE THREAD in 1 WEEK
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Post by Faye on Nov 17, 2007 19:54:07 GMT -5
I need to point out a few things: 1.Pets are pretty important,if you give up all your str, and get 200 cha,this is what will happen: ex: keesish-kin,8 hits 2-6 + 20 random damage=16-160 per round.flogg 9 hits,1-5 and with 20 random per hit,i think i made my point. 2:not all the ubers need str,for example: nemesis mace=magic regin=magic shadow=range asgardian=range poise=magic zombiebane septer=magic staff of awe=magic and only rage breaker or exterminator is melee so str is kind of point less. 3:you need to edit this guide,the gold set is back already,and the asgardian set is also released,or people want to place dark splatter with ninjat madness. I agree pretty much with the equipment except the pets pets:flogg.murbles.lvl 90 trobbles,nerf kitten if your poor,get ultra fire/ice were and gong of the wind!!! with an arodo clan. my stats points: str=0 dex=100 int=200 end=150 cha=200 luk=0 Besides, if your a mage ,why do you need str?you are probably spamming spells Wrong on CHA calculation. 200 CHA only gives +13 damage 2-6+13 = 2-19 (2-19)8= 16-152 Flogg only attack half of the time.
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