Dragon War NEW DRAGONS

[Micah]

WOT the SMu%$ What Is ThE PoInnT?
~Micah

[Luneth]

I think the Void was easy...

[Drago Goldenwing]

shalindar said:

hehe, he looks like the alien(from the movie "Alien") I beat him, nice challenge, although I didn't had to use heal wounds

I had the same thought. It looked like the Queen, with bony spiky bits.

But anyway.

Void Dragon=300% elemental resistances+Four very early Nerfkitten nerfs+Reign Plate+SkyScorcher+(Dragon+Wolf)=PURE UNADULTERED VOID DRAGON PWNAGE.

[[MF]]

Queen alien is 3 times as big, has 2 sets of lesser arms, drools considerably more, Has a LONG tail and if you tried to fight one, it would have killed you by now.

[Xenos Infinity]

no it wouldn't. it would have fallen before his awesome might about 3 weeks before they met.

the dragon's fun. currently fighting with my own char.

edit: just realized how to cause pure OWNAGE.
DM+uberspell/Elemental Explosion. it has 300% to all elements. I'll enjoy this.

[Drago Goldenwing]

finlandluvsu said:

Queen alien is 3 times as big, has 2 sets of lesser arms, drools considerably more, Has a LONG tail and if you tried to fight one, it would have killed you by now.

Not once she becomes mobile. Most of the mass seen in Aliens was due to her massive ovipositor, and the resin supports the drones had placed her in to hold her up. And the royal crest, that makes her look much larger than she actually is. Once she breaks free of the ovipositor and the supports, she's about on par with the void dragon. Remember, the Queen was large, but still small enough to fit into the elevator that she rode to the landing pad on when she was chasing Ripley and Hicks.
The Queen was also on a size scale with the Powerloader, which was around 8-10 feet tall. She wasn't three times as large as a human.

I'm a major Alien fan, especially of the creatures. >_>

[[MF]]

Actually, the queen seen in Aliens (no 2) was still small, not well grown, and also the ovipositor is actually usually detached, and you can still see the tail, which snakes behind it throughout the scene. The film crew admit to underestimating te size and screwing up the proportions when the Powerloader scene came, and also when the crew assesed how well a creature like that could do in real life, they found the jaw/inner jaw muscles so powerful and the primal brain reactions so quick, whithin a second of seeing prey it could have thrust its head forward and killed they prey. Try watching ALL the extra scenes/commentarys/features/unreleased material/programs/odds 'n' ends (really hard to find) and then you will find all statements true.

[Kayf]

So yeah, I'm late. Any good rewards? Read on the last page of a new dragon-trigger weapon and was wondering about the highest leveled one.

EDIT: Haha, I don't even have enough gold to buy the Dragosector. I hope it isn't that good so I won't feel bad about not getting it. >.>;

[Drago Goldenwing]

finlandluvsu said:

Actually, the queen seen in Aliens (no 2) was still small, not well grown, and also the ovipositor is actually usually detached, and you can still see the tail, which snakes behind it throughout the scene. The film crew admit to underestimating te size and screwing up the proportions when the Powerloader scene came, and also when the crew assesed how well a creature like that could do in real life, they found the jaw/inner jaw muscles so powerful and the primal brain reactions so quick, whithin a second of seeing prey it could have thrust its head forward and killed they prey. Try watching ALL the extra scenes/commentarys/features/unreleased material/programs/odds 'n' ends (really hard to find) and then you will find all statements true.

There's no way to tell how old the Queen was, as there was no timeframe given at any point. We can extrapolate a little bit, as the one guy said, "Some honch in a cushy office on Earth says 'Go look at a grid reference.' They don't say why, and I don't ask. I don't ask because it takes three weeks to get an answer out here and the answer is always 'Don't ask'"
So we know that it took at least three weeks for Earth to realize they lost contact with Hadley's Hope. We can assume it probably took an equal amount of time for the beaurocratic pansies that run Weyland-Yutani to decide to contact the USCM about the problem. Add more time for the USCM to decide whether to investigate or not.
Now, the problem at this point is that, of course, there's no way of knowing how long the trip to Acheron took. The only indication we have is that it couldn't have been TOO long, as they found one of the colonists about to burst. But even that's no real indicator as we don't know when she was captured and facehugged; However, we also have to remember that the remains of the facehugger the team found near her were rotted down to the skeletal remains.
All in all, the only thing we know about the time it took was that it took at least three weeks, as it took at least that long for the Company to realize it had lost contact with the colony. Everything else, there are too many unknowns and random variables to guess on.
However, we CAN use what we know of xenomorph biology. They are incredibly fast to reach adulthood. A few hours, and it can go from facehugger to highly dangerous, fully functional adult. There is no reason to assume that the aliens continue growing once they reach this point. So there is absolutely no indication that the queen was not fully grown by the time the marines arrived on the colony.

I'd like to know where you get this 'the ovipositor is usually detached' idea. Because that's never hinted at or mentioned, and it's fairly obvious in the movie that the queen only detached herself because her life was in danger and she had to flee. Otherwise she was quite happy sitting in the royal chamber churning out egg after egg. It's obvious that the Queen was where she was for the long haul because of the supports that the aliens had built to hold her weight and that of her ovipositor up.
And what's this about the tail? Of course the tail is still there and moving, I don't remember ever saying otherwise. o_0

The opinions of the film crew don't amount to much if those opinions fly in the face of what was established by the movies themselves. Movie canon comes before crew guesswork. Otherwise Alien3 would have totally rewritten EVERYTHING anyone knew about the aliens from previous films, and obviously, it didn't.
The alien queen was not three times the size of a human. That would have put her at eighteen feet tall. She was not that large; Once again, I point you to the scene where she rides the elevator down to follow Ripley and Hicks. A creature as large as you say the Queen 'really' was wouldn't have been able to squeeze itself into that space, not and leave enough room for the elevator to move without injuring the creature inside.

Like I said above, the crew is a questionable source of information at best. I've never seen this conversation you mention where the crew talks about how well the queen would do in real life, but when film crew speculation goes against information directly established in the movie, then the crew speculation is to be ignored. It doesn't matter if the crew says "Well, the Queen was supposed to be the size of Godzilla, but we had to scale her down..." The fact remains that a creature as large as you say the queen was could not have followed Ripley and Hicks, and was kept in scale with the Powerloader. When the Powerloader fell into the airlock on top of the queen, you got a pretty good comparison of size. They were about equal, with the Queen standing perhaps a little taller. What the film crew says about the size doesn't matter, as canonically, with those scenes, the film established that the queen was on par sizewise with the powerloader.

Also, I don't know what you meant by throwing in that bit about the alien's reaction times and killing prey within a second. But the queen was not suffering from a 'primal brain'. She was reacting emotionally, and even seemed to want revenge. These are not traits of a 'primal brain'. Only the lesser aliens suffer from that particular affliction.

[Faye]

WOW....so many writings. Drago, i can't defeat the darn void dragon! How did you do it?

[Micah]

lol The dragon had 857 health I had 34 so I used Mega Shock and he had 30 health and none of my pets of guests attacked!!!

kaizerfreak said:

So yeah, I'm late. Any good rewards? Read on the last page of a new dragon-trigger weapon and was wondering about the highest leveled one.

EDIT: Haha, I don't even have enough gold to buy the Dragosector. I hope it isn't that good so I won't feel bad about not getting it. >.>;

Nah It Aint that good.

[Drago Goldenwing]

Fanged Nightmare: I explained above.

[[MF]]

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I'm too bored to make witty and n00bish replies to all your comments before this turns into one of those flamewars when everyone knows their right and wrong and indescisive all at the same time, yet in their hearts they are still bent on being right until it gets to the point where they make art out of urine and excrement to get their point across.
Btw, you need to look REALLY deep to get all the hidden special features, behind the scenes stuff (unreleased except for in uber obscure german sites and stuff) and whatnot. Also the primal brain takes over in any attack/flee, so the descision was the only emotional part of it...blah...blah...

[Xenos Infinity]

I don't have a clue what you're all wittering about.
*casts Frozen Time spell so the flaming stops*

it seems Bradakhan has gathered an army for us to fight. and we have until the moon sets over Dragonspine to win.

it seems Warlic has been modifiying his Divine Magic so Scale Rot can kill 50,000 dragons per cast.

edit before anyone tries it and flames me:
the front page says he killed 50,000 dragons to help us with it. it won't actually kill that many if you cast it.

[Drago Goldenwing]

finlandluvsu said:

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I'm too bored to make witty and n00bish replies to all your comments before this turns into one of those flamewars when everyone knows their right and wrong and indescisive all at the same time, yet in their hearts they are still bent on being right until it gets to the point where they make art out of urine and excrement to get their point across.
Btw, you need to look REALLY deep to get all the hidden special features, behind the scenes stuff (unreleased except for in uber obscure german sites and stuff) and whatnot. Also the primal brain takes over in any attack/flee, so the descision was the only emotional part of it...blah...blah...

...Ok. :\ At no point was I insulting or did I 'flame' anyone. I'm used to openly discussing different aspects of the Alien movies in a civil tone, which is exactly what I tried to do. I pointed out several flaws in what you said, I was expecting flaws in what I said to be pointed out in turn. That's the nature of discussion, each side points out the flaws and errors in the other person's information.
If you're going to be like that though, fine. I won't even bother with the rest of what you said in that post, and let you get away with having the last word. Yes, i c wut u did ther, you're not very subtle about it.